Check out this loving comment in response to Don’t Save the Whales,
“i’m not sure of what your point is?! whats wrong with trying to save the whales, or any animal for that matter? why are you saying that only whales shouldn’t be saved? why not all other endangered species? i think you are wrong as i know many do, but i do not see your selfish view as to be right, yes you can look after your family or whatever your trying to say, but why not doing things for other people or animals other than yourself? please enlighten me with your selfish attitude to life.”
There is no cause so noble that you should sacrifice your children to its altar. Shame on you.
After 15-years in DC, I have noticed that those noble activists who are saving the world have yet to save themselves, their marriages, their families, and their children.
The children of many of the founders of these organizations are a mess, with boys and girls as scared and abandoned as the children of their more celebrated Hollywood celebrities and New York robber barons. They are cared for by nannies and oftentimes never see their parents for weeks at a time.
All because one or more of their parents are making sacrifices for a higher, nobler cause: saving the whales. Or some similar cause celebre.
The illusion of nobility associated with saving pagan babies, the rain forest, the whales, or the trees is pure distraction from the things that matter most in this life which is saving yourself, protecting and loving your children, your spouse, your parents, your family, and your community.
If you have all of your ducks in a row, if your children are happy and well-adjusted, if your health is good and you get enough sleep and exercise, if you still chase your spouse around the bed pretty regularly, and you call your mother, with energy to spare for yourself, then you have the right to save the whales.
Otherwise, you are chasing phantoms, you are wasting your time, and you had better still yourself enough to remember why you got married, why you had children, and whether the whales really matter to you any more or if you’re just used to saving the whales.
Otherwise, let the whales fend for themselves for a little while while you get yourself together.
If you disrespect your own family enough to abandon them for your noble cause then the whales are better off without you. Resign from your save the whales campaign immediately, move to New York, and settle in to a life on Wall Street.
If you’re going to be ignoble, you might as well do it for money. The entire order cetacea recognize hypocrisy when they see it and they don’t want any of your filthy lucre anyway.
(Special Thanks to Paul Roberts of P.R.A.D.E. (Paul Roberts Amateur Design Enthusiast The blog for the untrained but discriminating design eye) — the Photoshop God — who hooked me up with the Don’t Save the Whales graphic)
Some great comments follow:
Comments
Understandable sentiment, and an easy crutch for our own apathy, but life is not so black and white.
To continue with a racial theme and abuse an overused metaphor, would you have had Dr. King abandon his quest for civil rights in favor of couples therapy?
Granted, whales and trees are not sentient beings like the African Americans who were fire-hosed in Selma, but it’s naieve to write off noble ambitions because one’s self is not already enlightened.
In many of the great religious traditions service is actually means to personal salvation. Through serving others, we can learn to help ourselves and our families.
It is a shame that such impulses are not instinctual (hence the reason why airlines have to remind to you put on your oxygen mask before assisting your neighbor), but we are contradictory beings.
Accept the ambiguity and respect both service to others and our quests for personal virtue. They go hand in hand.
Posted by: David Gelles | April 11, 2005 10:32 AM
There is no apathy in my life. And there are also many distractions. I have spent years dancing with dolphins and whales as a SCUBA diver and know them more than many and for this I am grateful.
What is more noble than the ambition of saving oneself?
Doctor King was a whale, if you will. He was saving himself, his family, and his community. I am surprised that you overlooked that.
So, maybe I am not so naive.
And the most valuable lessons are in fact gleaned from serving others, but try to keep it local. As in your spouse, your children, your parents, your family, your friends, your community. If you have energy left over, then spend it along the same vein.
The nature of the world is not really as it seems. Try to only serve others you can touch, see, feel, help, interact with, and live with.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 11, 2005 10:47 AM
Dr. King was a philanderer saint.
Beethoven was an abusive genius.
Ghandi…well, he was all good.
The point is that we can’t put our life’s work on hold to get in the zen of changing diapers.
I know you’re neither naieve nor apathetic, so don’t come off like it by saying, “saving pagan babies, the rain forest, the whales, or the trees is pure distraction from the things that matter most in this life which is saving yourself, protecting and loving your children, your spouse, your parents, your family, and your community.”
If people don’t save the trees there will be no more familes to save.
Posted by: David Gelles | April 11, 2005 10:57 AM
As for one’s life’s work, it makes more than more sense to me now that Roman Catholic priests are celibate. There are fewer distractions.
I am not saying that one should not perform one’s life’s work. But not to the harm of what really matters.
And I am not talking about one’s life’s work, nor am I talking about destiny. What I am saying is that no matter how noble one’s life’s work may seem and no matter how important one’s destiny is, it is not remotely as important as serving your spouse, your children, your family, and your community.
There is nothing as modest, as honest, as life-affirming, and life-changing as that.
There is more harm done by a man who has a destiny, a noble aim, a a life’s work than anything else.
You mentioned Dr. King, Beethoven, and Ghandi.
I will mention some other men who have had life’s work and noble aims who lost site of themselves, their children, their family, and their community:
Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Idi Amin, Hideki Tojo, Kim Il-Sung, Chiang Kai-Shek, Moammar Al Qadhafi, Pol Pot, Francisco Franco, and Mao Zedong.
All men who didn’t put their “life’s work on hold to get in the zen of changing diapers.”
To take it one step further, these men, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Idi Amin, Hideki Tojo, Kim Il-Sung, Chiang Kai-Shek, Moammar Al Qadhafi, Pol Pot, Francisco Franco, and Mao Zedong, might have turned out differently if their mom, dad, family, and friends where better parents to them.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 11, 2005 11:34 AM
cop out.
Posted by: David Gelles | April 11, 2005 11:56 AM
There are many highly-gifted people in the world who have been treated like the young Gautama.
They are coddled, protected, and spoiled so that they may be allowed to focus on their destiny.
They distiny is as likely to be that of a surgeon, a scientist, a lawyer, a competitive skater, an athelete, a beauty queen, a pianist, a painter, a poet, or a priest as it is the King of the Whales.
There needs to be balance in all things. And what is the saddest part of this entire conversations is that the same man who said, “The point is that we can’t put our life’s work on hold to get in the zen of changing diapers” is also the man who spent months living in India.
I have never focused this on not saving the whales or not saving the forests but rather how much easier it is to forgive the distraction from the truth if that distraction is in fact popular or noble.
It’s neither nuclear family and Wall $treet, nor domestic abuse and whales.
There are countless great parents who are plenty involved with money, and plenty of awful parents who do invaluable work for their communities but are awful husbands and wives, who are awful parents to their children, and who are able to rationalize their entire failure because they have done some things that really don’t matter too much at the end of life really anyway.
There is another black and white annoyance: that money equals bad and activism equals good.
Sometimes entropy isn’t death. very often, it isn’t. Sometimes to struggle so hard for something that is so far removed and so not part of one’s life is like struggling in quicksand.
Not only is it a waste of energy, but the unintended consequence — sinking faster and being alienated from a helping hand — is worse than anything you could ever imagine.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 11, 2005 1:16 PM
there will always be that group of people bordering on lunacy who are dependent on a false sense of altruism to prop up their self-esteem, which suffers from things like failing to take care of their families or failing to succeed in relationships. it’s a shame, really.
Posted by: sam | April 12, 2005 8:30 AM
Sam, that’s the perfect way of saying it. And I can even make it more generic to better support my point, if you don’t mind, “there will always be that group of people bordering on lunacy who are dependent on a false sense of destiny to prop up their self-esteem.” The same stuff that makes the chairman of GE great and successful is the stuff that makes up the chairman of WWF as well.
My concern — and the reason I wrote the piece — is that the chairman of GE doesn’t suffer from the “noble aim” aspect, which might make the avarice and work ethic and profit motive more authentic and honest.
And is that better than a false sense of altruism?
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 12, 2005 9:32 AM
Yes, the avarice and work ethic may be honest and authentic, but avarice is a product of disappointment toward selfless service. Avarice and profit are easy. They come naturally, but so does the violence instinct. It is the mark of a civilized human to control such instincts.
Take each point in this discussion to the extreme. If tomorrow you woke up and walked outside to a world composed of either selfless service or “avarice and work ethic and profit motive”, which would you prefer?
Posted by: Bryan | April 12, 2005 9:49 AM
Chris, Dickens had the same reservations as you about what he termed Telescopic Philanthropy. You’re not alone!
Posted by: Mike | April 12, 2005 10:38 AM
In their purest form, I would choose service. I have a dear friend who is Mormon and she told me that service is the most important thing to the LDS. But when it comes to service, nobody is a professional and the service is inclusive of the family.
I like that. That makes sense to me.
I am also not saying that there is anything wrong with an obsessive workaholic president of Save the Whales.
I mean, there needs to be sacrifice in life and pain in order to grow and evolve.
But when a child is involved — when a family is being made — then things indeed should change.
Take each point in this discussion to the extreme. If tomorrow you woke up and walked outside to a world in which you would have to choose between saving all the whales and saving one child, which would you choose?
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 12, 2005 11:05 AM
With regards to Telescopic Philanthropy, I see the same thing with Mr. Margaret Thatcher. The thing is, with spouses, there is a certain level of conscious or unconscious choice in the matter.
With children, there is no choice in the matter. Although the subsumed spouse might become toxic and bitter — or not — at the loss of self to the shining qualities of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, there is still no less of a choice, really, in the matter.
It boils down to, if you’re unhappy, leave.
But choosing to have children is an entirely different matter.
Having children can either be the most generous or the most selfish act in the entire world.
An additional note is that psychologically-speaking, the same people who end up in a role such as Mrs Jellyby’s or Mrs Thatcher’s tend also to have narcissistic qualities.
And narcissists are the most compelling mates and the most incapable of being partners and parents. Funny how that works.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 12, 2005 11:16 AM
Without reading each entry and assimilating them all to produce a cogent statement (because I’m busy at work), let me make the following observations and then close with the greatest quote ever spoken.
1) There are causes noble enough that you should sacrifice your children. Chief among them is service to your nation in a time where its existence is threatened. As Abraham Lincoln once said to women grieving the loss of their children during the civil war,
“I cannot refrain from tendering to you the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our heavenly father may assuage the anguish of your bereavements and leave you only the cherished memories of the loved and the lost and the solemn pride that must be yours to have made so costly a sacrifice upon the alter of freedom.”
2) Nobody (worth hearing) is suggesting that saving the whales is more important, or equally important, to tending to our social fabric. What they are saying, if you listen with a carefully bent ear, is that through fostering care for things other than ourselves we create a society that by virtue of its interest in things besides itself, takes good care of itself. Without a strong social network, these other less paramount causes could garner no attention.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is no effort without error and shortcomings; who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”
Theodore Roosevelt (26th U.S. president (1901-09), 1858-1919)
Posted by: Justin | April 12, 2005 12:44 PM
could we change “whales” to “the unborn”?
Posted by: max solon | April 12, 2005 12:48 PM
I fully agree with you, but isn’t that called duty? And isn’t that the choice of the child? The child is not being sacrificed for the parent but rather the child is sacrificing his own life. That soldier is a whale. That soldier is sacrificing his life for his spouse, his children, his family, his friends, his community, and his country.
Entirely different, in my opinion, but important none-the-less.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 12, 2005 3:56 PM
Yea. I see the problem.
We should take control of our families and sort out all our family problems.
What about taking them to the ocean? We could all look for the whales together!
No, waste of time. What if we don’t sort out our problems when we’re there? We might all get lost in some sadly transient awe at the beauty of the whales – or probably just the idea of whales. For precious moments we’d forget the problems we went there to sort.
My family is not weak!
And who’s driving?
And if all the whales are gone anyway because of whalers, or depleted fish stocks from crazy fishing, or deafening submarine engines interfering in their songs, we’re only going to get frustrated at humanity’s impotence in the face of these vital industries.
I can do without that.
And they have no rhythm as far as I can tell.
Let’s relax with the tv newstoons and a healthy tuna salad, and save up the money from work for a good holiday one day. Disney? Hope we don’t use it all up on therapy first.
Or they grow up.
Forget the whales. You only live once.
Posted by: Hugh Whiting | April 12, 2005 9:48 PM
I think you’ve got your focus slightly wrong here, because you’re centering on “activists” when you should be thinking of all parents.
I know several handfuls of people who were scared and abandoned children, and the few who were raised by nannies were the lucky ones. Some of those abandoned children had parents at home, but they were so involved in business that they never saw their kids. It’s not about “activism,” it’s about abandoning your family for anything, and we shouldn’t confuse the two.
All the actual activists I’ve known share their activism with their families (I used to work for the Sierra Club, so I’ve known a few).
P.S., and this is a note for everybody, because this is the third time I’ve seen the error today: IT’S SPELLED “GANDHI.” G. A. N. D. H. I.
Posted by: Rika Youngblood | April 12, 2005 10:28 PM
i disagree with your assessment that the whales can fend for themselves .. they have no chance at all when their home is polluted, their food depleted, and their migration paths are congested with oil tankers .. what’s worst, we have the power to wipe out the planet (not just a single species) with just a push of the button (in 2002, we were just seven minutes away from midnight on the doomsday clock).
i have yet to run into children of the green movement who “are a mess”. on the contrary, having attended an ultra-liberal college of a progressive town [santa cruz], i have met and befriended many of these second-generation hippies who continue to uphold the various -ISMs (re: liberalism, idealism, etc) and values of their parents. what a wonderful gifts these hippies of yesteryears have given to their children.
this legacy echoes the teachings of the wisdom keepers of the mohawk nation, who teach their people to respect the land, and that “… everything they do affects the Seventh Generation and we must think of the unborn faces looking up from beneath Mother Earth”.
though my parents were not part of the green movement, i do believe in it .. and i will save the whales for the both of us.
Posted by: nam lamore | April 13, 2005 4:20 PM
Hugh, the entire time I read your comment I thought of the dolphins from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy! — thanks for that. But I have to tell you that I don’t really give a rat’s twat what you get up to.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | April 13, 2005 8:23 PM
What absolute twaddle.
Where is your evidence to back up the existence of these orphans of ecology? Don’t you think that there are people that put work before their family in all walks of life?
You’re being deliberately provocative. Get a life. Spend some time with your own family and friends instead of wasting your time attempting to bait people on the internet for your own pathetic amusement.
Posted by: Vilnius Terence | April 14, 2005 10:59 AM
I think you are bang out of order the people that save the whales are good people and are doing good. I am sure 9 out of ten would not neglected there families because of it and the ones that do are yes in the wrong when I was a little girl saving the whales was my dream
whales are mammals just like we are they are getting killed by there own species which is not right you are saying we should be stopping the robberies and the murders but by killing the whales you are doing the same to them you are murdering them and robbing them of a family something’s need looking after and at least there are SOME descent people out there that will do it not everyone sees life in the same way you do. if you had a pet dog for example and someone was trying to kill it you would do everything you could to save it because it is part of the family some people see whales in that way. How would you feel if you were just sitting at home with your family and someone shot a harpoon at you? Well that’s what it is like for them.
just imagine(I don’t no if you have kids) that you were sitting at home with your kids and someone captured you or killed you just think about what it would do to your kids but at least they would have other family or they would have the opinion of foster care or adoption. but those poor whales probably don’t have help like that they would be all alone and maybe too young to know how to survive on their own so I think in the future instead of being lost in your own little world and think its the saving the whales that is doing it think again because they need as much help as we do. And if you are so bovered about the community I hope you are out there doing something for it. Infact why don’t you go out there and do something now instead of wasting your time writing this web site moaning about there whale savers and do something for the community yours sincerely jess
Posted by: jess | May 13, 2005 9:31 AM
this is sick we can save ourslevs we have a voice of our own but the whales dont so if they cant speak to stick up for themslves who will? because it is clear u wont. i would and that is a fact u mybe should listen because it is your people that is causing the problem with the whales.
Posted by: stephanie | May 23, 2005 4:41 AM
If the vast majority of people who aren’t inclined towards saving the whales and such, were instead spending their free time trying to truly take care of their families, spouses & communities I might see validity to your argument…as it is this post just looks like liberal-baiting to me.
Whatever. You guys are right. We suck. Money is king. Whatever.
Posted by: Cary | June 21, 2005 2:53 PM
You can always catch a liberal if you use a whale as bait!
Posted by: Chris Abraham | June 21, 2005 4:44 PM
what a stupid article.
Posted by: Urb | June 21, 2005 9:05 PM
Your argument is astonishing to me. If you can honestly re-read it two times and not see the mile-wide holes in your reasoning you might need to take some time to think things over. Really.
Suffice to say that if this is the way you feel then I’m thinking that you have some learning to do about what a relationship is, what a marriage is and what raising a child is. Let’s set your gloss on activism == children raised by nannies aside. That is a deep issue with a whole spectra of situations that you are lumping into the most negative terminus.
You don’t raise a child by commiting yourself to voluntary servitude to him or her — nor do you ‘make a family’ by staying home and staring at them 24/7. Strong people with strong convictions raise children that share these traits. Strong marriages are not made by two people who spend all their time on each other. The best thing you can do for a child is to inspire her by setting an example of what a person can do in this world.
To hold the opinions that you express within the context of your personal mores is one thing, but to insult *activism* at large and to call people who give a damn and are doing somehting about it bad parents bullshit on stilts.
Posted by: anon | June 22, 2005 12:09 PM
You have the honor of missing my point entirely. I think you might be suffering from some sort of deep-seated guilt.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | June 22, 2005 1:29 PM
we as humans have a responsibilty to care for all living creatures of this earth as they all have a right to live and we are the ones who have destroyed their homes and species. So it is a responsibility of ours to try protect those species in danger because of the selfish act of others.
Posted by: Amy | July 9, 2005 1:47 AM
you obviously is idiot, u must be someone who cares only about urself. please open u eyes and see what people like u are doing to animals. IDIOT
Posted by: lin jia yi | July 11, 2005 8:13 AM
first of all Mr.Abraham does make a point, if your life isn’t well put together you shouldn’t particate in any other extra curricular activities. However,he fails to mention other activities people particate in that aren’t for the environment,anmails/endangered species,or other worthwhile cause that never the less can disrrupt homes,childhoods,& break families such as:homeless, needy, abuse, disabiled, & feed the children. but these aren’t mentioned, why . . .?
Posted by: integra | July 11, 2005 4:14 PM
Mr.Abraham I must say you speak of neglected children,& husbands. can you prove anything you say? And if you can tell us how many people are neglected because of their parents jobs, hobbies, and everyday life who aren’t rooted in some cause and are just living in a regular town, would you? There are problems in life & marriage due to nothing but their own faults, to not think so & live in a perfect world is denial.I suggest you open your eyes.
Posted by: integra | July 11, 2005 4:35 PM
Mr.Abraham,I respect other people’s opinions.You do not.That I refuse to respect,the lives of others & how the are lived are not yours to dictate to.You probley have a nice apt. in a upscale N.Y. neighborhood. Must be nice. You’ve had everything handed to you in a silver spoon. I don’t discriminate agianst the rich even though i am not. But for the poor who live in the wild or country nature is greatly loved,respected,&cared for.
Posted by: integra | July 11, 2005 4:49 PM
Mr.Abraham, you must watch your views & how you express them because you can offend many people,I was very offended by your statements and took it personally.It hurt,and I thought of all the others you’ve hurt by this. I suggest you apologize to the envirnmental community.I don’t apphreciate your calling Dr.King a “philanderer saint” and suggest you appologize to the black community as well.One day you may wake up and see how precious our world is.
Posted by: integra | July 11, 2005 5:01 PM
Mr.Abraham, this is my last post.I know your thinking “thank god”. But in short i will speak a quote of love ,honesty,& truth. ” The wonderous world under sea & land, in the big scheme of things one life may seem insugnifficant but it’s the greatest gift we know and we cannot let this world of light, love ,and beauty perish.”
Posted by: integra | July 11, 2005 5:09 PM
Mr Abraham, YOU ARE A CRAZY, CRAZY TOOL.
Posted by: Mad Anne Bonney | July 11, 2005 10:20 PM
Mr Abraham, YOU ARE A FREAKY FREAKY FREAK.
Posted by: Mad Anne Bonney | July 11, 2005 10:21 PM
My ex long ago abandoned our son for native american/worker/prison issues. The worst part is my 18-yr-old son who was dragged to the W.T.O. when he was 13(although it makes for a good story to say he’s been teargassed)-my son only sees the hypocrisy in the hardcore activists–thinking of them as angry and sad without any stability or truth.
Posted by: christina | July 12, 2005 7:19 PM
Your thoughts are disturbing because if you cannot enjoy the utter beauty we have in our world you are really disturbed. This page is sick and unfortunatly I visited this sight BLAH….SAVE THE WHALES
Posted by: Crystal | July 12, 2005 8:22 PM
Save the Earth, KILL YER SELF!!!!
Posted by: Martin Jones | July 26, 2005 4:17 PM
love animals keep them safe. would if u were a whale oh yeah lets just 4get u. u r nothing.GOD put thing here 4 a reson life is a leason. u will get whats coming.SAVE WHALES,CARE 4 THEM.
Posted by: ryah | July 26, 2005 8:59 PM
i have only 1 thing 2 say about ur article
“THE HELL”
Posted by: emman | July 27, 2005 5:32 AM
i have only 1 thing 2 say about ur artical
“THE HELL”
Posted by: emman | July 27, 2005 9:50 AM
Sorry I don’t think like you At ALL!!!
Posted by: Bobbie | August 1, 2005 3:48 AM
You are really twisted aren’t you. so you think we should focus on other things no we shouldn’t im 13 and i am trying to save the animals from people like you. Sick people who are self centered and don’t care for others. You need to get your head out of your *** and open your eyes. You wouldn’t like for someone to kill you without question and make lipstick or shampoo out of you would you??? Animals that live in the water are being killed for your convience so you can have shampoo. i don’t think so buddy. I bet you go out there and kill them so you can be satified. Well you know what we’ll stop people like you from hurting the animals we love. Without or with out your help. So when all the animals are gone we’ll start making shampoo and lipstick out of people like you so you know what it fells like to be them. So you know how much pain people put tem through. Woould you like a harpoon explosive shot into your brain and blow up and kill you then hit you repeatedly with an axe. So you need to get your head out of your***
Posted by: Cayla Rene | January 31, 2007 12:50 PM
You are really crule huh? dude you have to save the whales. they are killing the whales just so they can make soap to rub all over your body .well i am 13 and i am trying to save the whales . so people like yuo dont get to kill them. you are really wrong and dont care one bit about the animals under the sea. well you should.whales , orcas , sharks and other mammals die just to make new and stupid improved products. you are a *** and you need to care about the animals they have dont nothing to you and you want to kill them well dont. cause me and my friends cayla will beat your ***
you need to care. well would you want to die just to make lipstick and shampoo.
write back and i will tell you more abourt the animals you need to car eabout what they do for you there are only a hundred remaining in the world .soon there will be no more and then it will make you happy huh well you need to get your head out of the gutter . when all the animals are gone what are u gonna do we are gonna blame you!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: ALexa RAe | January 31, 2007 12:50 PM
you might think that whales dont matter but your wrong. ya you need to take care of your family but we also need to save are world. all of you that sont think that the whales arent important than you SUCK.
Posted by: chalsea | February 15, 2007 6:44 PM
What are you talking about> Yes its important to have a stable life at home for your family and children, but if the enviroment itself isn’t saved by these noble people an other people around the world then that home you are trying to stabilze and love will not exists and the ones you love will suffer, because people like you thought it was unimportant to save the whales!!! So if we dont start repairing our enviroment now we will end up suffering for it later on!!! So wake up and save the Whales ASSHOLE
Posted by: Someone | February 20, 2007 8:53 PM
Dont blame the whales or conservationists for human frailities and faults.
I have a great husband and marriage, great kids with whom i spend alot of my tme, I also support Whale conservation with time and money i have availiable. Get a grip!! Its not the Whales fault thatthey are being slaughtered… It is HUMAN GREED and arrogance. It is not the whales fault the people lose sight of everything but their cause….It is HUMAN STUPIDITY and again arrogance. Dont blame the whales and their plight for human faults after all it happens with more than just save the whales.
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Posted by: Miri Furlong | February 21, 2007 2:21 AM
you are so self centered!! how would you feel if some body wanted to kill you!!!! don’t even try to say you wouldn’t care!! I’m elizabeth christian and i think everyone should help save the whales!!! LOSER!! FREAK!! WEIRDO!!
Posted by: Elizabeth Christian | February 28, 2007 1:59 PM
you are the biggest idiot on the face of the earth!!! you don’t understand the value of life its self!!! tou are so retarted!!!!!!!
YOU IDIOT!!
Posted by: Elizabeth | February 28, 2007 2:02 PM
YOU ARE SO RETARDED!! hope you choke on a piece of beef jerky!!
Posted by: elizabeth | February 28, 2007 2:20 PM
your stupid!!!
dont say dont save the whales because you need to save yourself first. i love whales and im trying t save whales and im only 17 i have loving parents who are also trying to save whales and were not disfunctional or falling apart or any thing you said were just fine and to generalize that all people who try and save our planet are neglecting their families is BULL. your just pissed that you cant save the world and you probably cant fix your own family.
Posted by: Zayna | May 18, 2007 8:00 PM
You are very stupid. No more comments.
Posted by: Gabriel | May 28, 2007 9:07 AM
I may well be stupid, but I am not alone. Thanks for joining me.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | May 28, 2007 12:22 PM
SAVE THE WORLD! SAVE THE WHALES!
Posted by: Mauricio J. Solórzano | June 6, 2007 12:27 PM
God Agrees with Chris Abraham That We Should not Save the Whales (well, at least Paul does… but then, he’s a rabid homophobe and a chauvinist pig, so…)
In any case, it’s in the scriptures, so it’s right.
1 Timothy 3
This saying is trustworthy: “If anyone aspires to be a leader of his community, he desires a noble work.” Such a leader, therefore, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, self-controlled, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an able teacher, not addicted to wine, not a bully but gentle, not quarrelsome, not greedy; one who manages his own household competently, having his children under control with all dignity. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of God’s house?) He must not be a new convert, or he might become conceited and fall into the condemnation of the Devil. Furthermore, he must have a good reputation among outsiders, so that he does not fall into disgrace and the Devil’s trap.
Posted by: Mark Harrison | August 13, 2007 7:13 AM
I am surely and indeed a Godly man. Fuck the whales.
Posted by: Chris Abraham | August 14, 2007 11:19 PM
i’m not sure of what your point is?! whats wrong with trying to save the whales, or any animal for that matter? why are you saying that only whales shouldn’t be saved? why not all other endangered species? i think you are wrong as i know many do, but i do not see your selfish view as to be right, yes you can look after your family or whatever your trying to say, but why not doing things for other people or animals other than yourself? please enlighten me with your selfish attitude to life
Posted by: Save The Whales | August 17, 2007 1:06 PM
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What the hell dude?
Shouldnt we respect each and EVERY one of gods creatures?
The whales havent done anything to hurt you and if they have i’m sure you deserved it. You truely are a fucked up selfish bastard!!
The whalers should hunt you instead!!
To everyone else SAVE THE WHALES!!!!!
all i can say is how will you be able to save yourself and family if there is no habitable earth on which to live? You need to save the earth to save yourself.
hello? is there a heart in your body? there are millons of humans on the earth, yes care about them but don’t not care about the animals and whales!! your website is sick and twisted, i’de rather see a kid die than a orca or a bottle nose dolphin!
Goodness me.
“your website is sick and twisted, i’de rather see a kid die than a orca or a bottle nose dolphin!”
Nema, I think you just proved Mr. Abraham’s point.
And I’m a “Save the Whales” type of guy.
Now that I’m “free”, I get to devour 6 week old dolphin calves. Oh, I also eat baby seals as I snatch them off beaches.
You Rude Obnoxious idiot! How dare you put your CRUDE opinoins out there like that? I’m from D.C too and you’re lying my mother worked on the whale project with Green Peace and I’m fine.As is my wonderful family.Prejudice is wrong, you are discriminating against people who are trying to keep our economy and WORLD alive and intact. If you want to see it go up in flames, be my FUGLY (Fucking ugly)guest It’s a flippin’ free country you moron. Let it live. We need to save the world, and not exclude any creature. Yes children and are important, but SO ARE ALL ANIMALS! And, also, I agree with Amy: YOU, you heartless prat, deserve to be hunted by whale hunters!
you are selfish and wrong, lets look after ourselves and don’t give a flying **** about anything bar ourselves! they have been here longer than us but lets let them be killed for the sake of it. how narrow minded of you! we are ruining there planet not vice versa!
listen, what is wrong with trying to preserve our earth and all of its beings. think of what our world be if we didn’t give flying **** about anything but ourselves. a world with no niceness is a world in which people would do anything to die
Why do you want to do that?I think all animals should be left alone.!!!
i think you should research whales while they are alive and whale shouldn’t be dead they should live how would you like it if you was alive and some one killed you and ate you ?
thats my point i dont think you do.
please people save whales and not eat .
whales will be more happy and besides would you like to see whlae babies grow?
look whales what have they done to you? do you know what I think ? they have done nothing to you and the never will to hurt you . I think we should save the whales
U are so selfish yes whales are important at the moment cause Japan is kkilling the for supposably reacher but how do u reacher a dead whale or any other animal in their natural habitat i agree with the other viewers on this web cause u are a heartless besterd and diserv to die .Other indanger animals need help too yes and we should help them but right now the whales need more help we are starting a club to save the whale we are collecting 5000 pennies to see how many whales will die for japan cause they said that is how many they are going to kill and the money we make is going to LOta a whale in Florida with the worlds smallest tank so they can make her a bigger tank.So u need to shut up and i hope ur family lives and u die y faggot. SAVE THE WORLD AND ITS LIVING CREATURE cuase we need living creatures to serive so we can live on cause they help our plants when they die and when they use the bathroom and we need them to eat vbut only certain ones .SAVE A COW EAT MORE CHICKEN> and u need to help us save the whales and i bet u are a bitter old man all alone trying to get attion because u are lonly and missible but that doesn’t mean that u should try to stop us cause we the children of the world are ur future one day we may find away to save the world
hope u die!
fuck u
If, like you said, were to care for only your children, spouse etc. and say a fire came over someone and you didn’t care. What if the world went on fire and you only saved them, nothing else. What would you be left with? No food (meat), we need every bit of our ecosystem. Believe me, if whales disappeared, a lot of things we hold dear would disappear too. Animals are equiped with amazing tools to help it survive in it’s enviornment. Imagine a whales possition, you couldn’t survive where it lives. But there is one thing the whale is not equiped with, it’s protection about inconsiderate morons like you!
Is this really about the whales? I think it could have been the dolphins, the pandas, etc. I think the point is how can you be out there trying to save or fight for others when you cannot even do the same for your own and closest people? Look at this example about Gandhi(if it’s valid): “There seemed to be a paradox in Gandhi’s treatment of his wife and children and his behaviour towards others. He was exceptionally demanding of himself, and demanding of those closest to him. Whereas he displayed loving kindness to virtually everyone, with his family he could be quite severe. One of Gandhi’s best known biographers, Louis Fischer, in “The Life of Mahatma Gandhi”, put it beautifully when he wrote to the effect that Gandhi thought his sons could be chips off the old block (an English-language expression) but the block did not chip. Gandhi’s relationships with his other three sons seem to have mellowed in Gandhi’s later life”.(http://www.gandhiserve.org/information/questions_and_answers/faq2/faq2.html)
I rather go for: save the whales, but first save your people!
god your the kind of people that are messing up this planet. have a think about what you have said seriouly you loser.
That is rather confusing with what you are trying to point out. In the end i guess peoples personal life is non of your business and its up to them on what they care about.
your opinion doesnt have to be said to the whole world.
i think u should think again about not saving these amazing creatures they have lived here way before we did, that does NOT mean kill them. whales and dolphins, especially orcas are said to be as smart as humans maybe smarter, think of how they feel if one of their family members got killed!ur probably just a sick old man that sits all day thinking of these things. so… save the whales and all of gods creatures their not doing any harm to us! SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE U ARE!!!!!
LOSER!!!!!!!
MuSiC4LiFe1994 » My opinion most certainly has every right to be “said to the whole world.” Why not? It is up to them what they care about — until they have children. When you get married (or not) and then have kids, then it isn’t about you/yourself any more. To many people have kids and then act as they did before.
I agree with Howard Johnson … or in this case my man Chris. When people say “save the planet”, all too often what they mean is “save the humans”. The planet was here long before us and will be here long after us, as will most of the life on it. Sure, there will be extinction events, but those have been occuring for millions of years, and will continue to do so. What we need to be concerned about is how nice a place the planet will be to live whilst we are here – which is why I support various environmental causes.
I don’t condone killing anything for pointless reasons, but the anthromorphic and egotistical view a lot of people have around this and other causes is rather amusing. If killing whales is bad, then why do we kill various other creatures without pause. Pigs, for example, are easily as intelligent as your average dog, if not more.
But back to the subject at hand. Chris was not attempting to offer support for the wholesale slaughter of cetaceans, but pointing out that we often overlook the mess in our own backyard when offering advice to our neighbors about theirs …
… one last point; if you are not prepared emotionally, mentally and financially to support, raise, and nuture children, then don’t have any.
Dear Chris Abraham,
I understand your theory, but why can’t the people who are studying whales bring their children along?
Also… Just so you know, if the most miniscule animal, even plankton, disappeared every single living thing would die off… including children, so take you children along with you to save everything and everyone…or keep your children locked up in a city while you work at Wallstreet.
Bleepers, if they did, they wouldn’t be stepping over their children, now would they. That’s the entire point of the essay.
Dude you really need to get a real hobby other than dissin’ the whales they are apart of the ecosystem and what goes around comes around so i hope that you get stolen by some japenese whalers that will take your guts and feed them to their hungery offspring!!! Plus I think that you dont even know how many ways us humans hurt animals every day so some of us are trying to help them!
whales are inportint to the comuntty whyb would you say shuch a thang that whale should be huntid if i new how rowt the artico id be rilly made …..thenk about your kids let them see a whale
you tofufffarry farting dariy lovers you incomsitret loders git a lifeand dont kill whales
ashley suck it who cares of the important they need to be save. so jest get to the subject and say and talk ahout how they need to be save. whales need to be save because they are vary intelagent animals and don’t need to be killed for food there is plenty of difrent sea live to eat jest not the whales. and screw the nativs they don’t need there tradition for whaling screw it your doing to much damage to the population. and who ever made this site screw you idiot.
loganyouafag go humpyour mom
whale killer
ashly if that is your real name shut the F**** up!!!!!!!!! and you got that fom lary the cable guy you red neck. and one thing. ya coming through the wall if real F****ing cool useing the front door is cool don’t touch me you drink, don’t touch me you giant bevage you are sweting or condansating i will kick you in the tites and you will go down your veet top heavy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ashly real cool!!!………..NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ew y u like dont wanna save the whales?? theyr like majestic and such and well personally if u dont want them around well just wow and ew
i cant believe u!! the only person in the world who hates whales!!whales r just like humans only bigger and they dont go around killing people for fun!! they hav minds and brains and i hope they attack u in D.C. whales r the most thrilling in the world and u r just a cold blooded murder if u dont like them and want them 2 die. u just better rethink this because its making a lot of people angry and well people being angry leads 2 violence. and thats just as bad as killing the whales!! ur a SELFISH man!!!
Well have you ever considered that if these whales or animals in the world do become extinct it could cause mass destruction in the food chain and the regularity in biomes?? Obviously not but parents who do commit their time to doing this is because they want to…
jennyrae2010@aol.com »
Once you have a family and kids “wanting to” isn’t good enough. What if that parent wants to leave? What is that parent wants to have an affair? What is that parent wants to stop working and play Xbox? I mean, “wants to” or “likes to” might be fine for someone who is single or even someone who is married, but once you start bringing children into the mix, there is something way more important.
What about “doing the right thing?”
To quote myself:
If you have all of your ducks in a row, if your children are happy and well-adjusted, if your health is good and you get enough sleep and exercise, if you still chase your spouse around the bed pretty regularly, and you call your mother, with energy to spare for yourself, then you have the right to save the whales.
Otherwise, you are chasing phantoms, you are wasting your time, and you had better still yourself enough to remember why you got married, why you had children, and whether the whales really matter to you any more or if you’re just used to saving the whales.
Otherwise, let the whales fend for themselves for a little while while you get yourself together.
do save the whale i love whales
SHUT THE HECK UP! DON’T BE SUCH AN IDIOT! WHALES ARE ALMOST GONE! EXTINCTED! NADA! AND ALL YOU CAN DO TO HELP IS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO KILL WHALES!? HAVE YOU GOT NO HEART!? IF YOU DO YOUR SO COLD HEARTED! WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!
Y’KNOW I MAY ONLY BE A PRE-TEEN, BUT EVERYONE CAN MAKE A CHANGE IN THE WORLD! EVEN KIDS TOO. SO SHUT UP COLD HEART!
I have never ever said, “kill the whales.” I think you don’t know how to read or maybe you just read only the title.
You truley are the most selfish uneducated vile and pathetic little man ive ever seen in my whole life. You know that 90 percent of these people that are standing up for whales and such, do not have children, or any sort of obligation at home, and do you not think that your family would be happy for you, that you’re doing something that you love? Well you truley are a fool. You say we should spend less time fighting for the whales… You are spending an equal ammount of time trying to stop us.. So take some of your own advise… Shut up, go back to school and stay in your dark cave with your beloved children… who I assume will grow up to be as little hearted, foolish, evil, vile and cruel. If you didn’t catch that you might want to get a dictonary… Do you know what a library is? Most likely not. Bloody idiot. Have fun loosing this war. :)
You are pathetic
Jordan, I don’t even know if you’re are arguing for whales or just stringing random vitriolic worlds together.
YES!!! I want to NOT save the Whales! Chris Abraham, YOU ROCK!
Curtis »
Thank you, Curtis, and big mahalos.
What the fuck is wrong with you, you selfish asshole!!! if you where getting harpooned to the point of near extinction-i think you would want to be saved…then again what whould the Japs need 2 do ‘research’ on a self centred-ass like yourself. whales have done NOTHING to this world besides making it alittle bit more beautiful. Dude, what have they done too you…do you feel unapriciated? being a member of a race of fucking BILLIONS!! Get a life you sick, redarded cocksucker!!! hope you randomaly get harpooned one day and dragged aboard a big fucking ship-whilst your skin is being riped off…hope you like hate-mail, motherfucker!! your gonna get lots. WHALES RULE. PEACE OUT xxx
angie »
Did you read you article, you silly Aussie girl?
I hope you burn in hell Whales r Awsome, they rule. Fuck u
Tony »
Thanks, Tony — I guess you’re someone else who hasn’t read the article.
I just would like to point out that we are all NOT saving the whales right now. So before you go off on this dude whose facetious little online comment has got you off the couch of apathy and whipped you into a whale saving fury then in all actuality he has done more to save the whales then you ever have….and its not like whales have feelings….
Wow, thank you, Curtis.
u know what i just realized< #1, u suck, #2, by making this possessed website about NOT saving the whales, u ARE saving the whales. u r attracting more attention to the subject, and i still hate u, but thank you, bc now u can freak out over what u just did, and in the end, ur doing exactly what ur tellling us not 2 do. <3 NOT
I love this kinda typical hypocracy – I work with environmentalists that rant daily about the destruction and pollution of our planet and how we should ‘all be doing our bit to combat global warming and reduce pollution’ – but when it comes to closer at home they wouldn’t think twice about sitting there puffing away a packet of 20 cigarettes with a baby under thier arm – pollute the world – hell no – pollute my childrens lungs – hell who cares! – this article is spot on, I see this attitude everyday within the ‘green’ community that I work in, it seems that these people are missing the point its not about ‘not saving the whales’ its about double standards and how people find helping a outside cause so much easier than actually facing the fight within.
Wow, Cozmic, I think I am crying here. Of course, those cigarettes would need to be American Spirits.
Well, I give up. So many people think I am an evil whale-killer that I will stop fighting. What do you think I am after you read Don’t Save the Whales? Should I be “harpooned and flayed alive?” Well, for those of you who think I kill whales, here are my favorite whale recipes:
http://chrisabraham.com/2008/04/06/cook-the-whale-eat-the-whale/#title
I agree with everything that u guys have said above! u guys r my heroes!! they wil die eventaully, but that doesnt mean that WE need to kill them. they r so important and we need to reconize that and help them live longer, because if we loose them, we will be in big trouble!
As to u the author of this website! U NEED TO STOP THIS!! U obviously dont know anything about the ecosystem and how important everything is… so u need to stop and learn before u put ur comments online… actually dont even put comments on line!!!!! u………… (fill in the blank)
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